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	<description>This is the weblog of Brian Romans. I am a sedimentary geologist and write about my own research interests, Earth science and society, and other randomness.</description>
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		<title>By: The Accretionary Wedge #6: Geohmms &#171; The Accretionary Wedge</title>
		<link>http://clasticdetritus.com/2008/01/28/will-science-reporters-ever-get-it/#comment-3081</link>
		<dc:creator>The Accretionary Wedge #6: Geohmms &#171; The Accretionary Wedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] calls the Anthropocene unbearably narcissistic, shortly before claiming to be partial to the term. BrianR expressed exasperation that semantics can get everyone is such a tiff. And Tom simply notes the news without [...]</description>
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		<title>By: goodSchist.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The GeoBlogosphere Review #1</title>
		<link>http://clasticdetritus.com/2008/01/28/will-science-reporters-ever-get-it/#comment-3022</link>
		<dc:creator>goodSchist.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The GeoBlogosphere Review #1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 07:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Detritus And speaking of Brian R of Clastic Detritus, Will science reporters ever get it? gives us a little rant about how some science reporting is just a bit off; WTF? It’s as if the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Science blogger vs. blogging scientist &#171; Clastic Detritus</title>
		<link>http://clasticdetritus.com/2008/01/28/will-science-reporters-ever-get-it/#comment-2971</link>
		<dc:creator>Science blogger vs. blogging scientist &#171; Clastic Detritus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 06:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at least what I perceive to be misleading) . If I&#8217;m in a particular mood, the post becomes more of a rant than a well-written essay. This is the freedom of blogging, right? A science book author and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at least what I perceive to be misleading) . If I&#8217;m in a particular mood, the post becomes more of a rant than a well-written essay. This is the freedom of blogging, right? A science book author and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BrianR</title>
		<link>http://clasticdetritus.com/2008/01/28/will-science-reporters-ever-get-it/#comment-2969</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric...thanks for your comments...I do appreciate and enjoy the interaction. Hopefully I'm not coming across as combative...tone is such a difficult thing to master in this kind of communication :)

Fundamentally, I agree with you. Yes indeed, knowing the audience is critical. And I also agree with you regarding defining blogs. The consequence of such an open style is a mixture of semi-serious (and hopefully well-written) posts with rants and other "stuff".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric&#8230;thanks for your comments&#8230;I do appreciate and enjoy the interaction. Hopefully I&#8217;m not coming across as combative&#8230;tone is such a difficult thing to master in this kind of communication <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Fundamentally, I agree with you. Yes indeed, knowing the audience is critical. And I also agree with you regarding defining blogs. The consequence of such an open style is a mixture of semi-serious (and hopefully well-written) posts with rants and other &#8220;stuff&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Roston</title>
		<link>http://clasticdetritus.com/2008/01/28/will-science-reporters-ever-get-it/#comment-2968</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Roston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, sorry, I misread the tone. Science writing isn't my job either (a hobby -- very challenging to support oneself writing these days (or any previous days). 

I don't think there's a philosophical difference. I was just trying to draw a distinction between different kinds of writing and their respective audiences. Criticizing a piece of writing without taking its audience into consideration is like shooting fish in a barrel. As a writer, I'm extremely conscious about whether I'm writing at a high enough level of precision. I'm simultaneously constantly trying to decide what I have to sacrifice in precision to write in something lay readers want. It's like that snail crawling along the edge of a knife. From the time stamp on my post you could tell, in fact, this stuff keeps me up at night. I should have made that more specific. 

Essentially, my point was that scientists must write peer-reviewed journal articles with a certain level of precision or they will have no readers. Similarly, science media must present information with a certain narrative tone, and by doing this they sacrifice some precision. Finally, bloggers--a category so vast it is almost meaningless, a description of medium, not content--each find their own balance between precision and tone, for the audience they are trying to seek or build. 

Anyway, I'm a fan of the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, sorry, I misread the tone. Science writing isn&#8217;t my job either (a hobby &#8212; very challenging to support oneself writing these days (or any previous days). </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a philosophical difference. I was just trying to draw a distinction between different kinds of writing and their respective audiences. Criticizing a piece of writing without taking its audience into consideration is like shooting fish in a barrel. As a writer, I&#8217;m extremely conscious about whether I&#8217;m writing at a high enough level of precision. I&#8217;m simultaneously constantly trying to decide what I have to sacrifice in precision to write in something lay readers want. It&#8217;s like that snail crawling along the edge of a knife. From the time stamp on my post you could tell, in fact, this stuff keeps me up at night. I should have made that more specific. </p>
<p>Essentially, my point was that scientists must write peer-reviewed journal articles with a certain level of precision or they will have no readers. Similarly, science media must present information with a certain narrative tone, and by doing this they sacrifice some precision. Finally, bloggers&#8211;a category so vast it is almost meaningless, a description of medium, not content&#8211;each find their own balance between precision and tone, for the audience they are trying to seek or build. </p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m a fan of the site.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianR</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric...I never meant to imply science writers and scientists are opposed in some way.

As for the imprecision and/or error in my own writing for this post ... well, come on ... I'm not claiming to be science writer. I have a little blog with no ads, I'm not trying to sell a book, I don't link to other posts I've written somewhere else. This isn't my job.

I guess you're saying I can't critique writing unless mine is perfect? I disagree with that philosophy.

I will continue to critique science writing...but that doesn't mean I think they are the "enemy". As I said at the end of the post...it's everybody's fault in misunderstanding. Including mine as a scientist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric&#8230;I never meant to imply science writers and scientists are opposed in some way.</p>
<p>As for the imprecision and/or error in my own writing for this post &#8230; well, come on &#8230; I&#8217;m not claiming to be science writer. I have a little blog with no ads, I&#8217;m not trying to sell a book, I don&#8217;t link to other posts I&#8217;ve written somewhere else. This isn&#8217;t my job.</p>
<p>I guess you&#8217;re saying I can&#8217;t critique writing unless mine is perfect? I disagree with that philosophy.</p>
<p>I will continue to critique science writing&#8230;but that doesn&#8217;t mean I think they are the &#8220;enemy&#8221;. As I said at the end of the post&#8230;it&#8217;s everybody&#8217;s fault in misunderstanding. Including mine as a scientist.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Roston</title>
		<link>http://clasticdetritus.com/2008/01/28/will-science-reporters-ever-get-it/#comment-2965</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Roston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Language is imprecise, and it is more imprecise (arguably) in media targeted to an audience that would understand "scientists say" to imply that "a handful of scientists suggest we ought to call..." I'd draw your attention to the linguistic category of "performative speech acts," an idea that resides deeply in the realm of semantics. When "scientists say" a new epoch has begun (or whatever), the act of their saying it creates a new "epoch" (even if the Stratigraphic Committee hasn't ratified it). That doesn't mean their utterance redirects Earth processes. It means "saying" that a new category exists to describe the planet's history makes it true that a new category exists to describe the planet's history, regardless of events on the ground. 

If science writers (Disclaimer: I'm a science writer) are dangerously imprecise, where does that put blogging scientists? Look at this sentence from your response above: "By saying a new epoch has begun rather than we (humans) are recognizing that we need to create a new epoch is misleading to me." "We (humans)" seems maddeningly imprecise. To apply the level of rigor to blog language that you are applying to mainstream science writing, this appears to either make you a spokesperson for humans, or suggest that "humans are recognizing...", something patently not true, since all but several thousand humans have no idea what an epoch is. I would also question the precision of the word "frickin'," and efficiency of the phrase "By saying a new epoch has begun rather than we (humans) are recognizing that we need to create a new epoch" as the subject of a sentence. Form is content. Besides, everybody knows that you can't "create" a new epoch because of the Law of Conservation of Epochs (kidding).

My overall point is that science writers and scientists are not enemies. In fact, developments like the NC Science Blogging convention, Science Blogs, and the World Science Festival show that scientists and science writers are starting an "epoch" (wink) of better mutual understanding and collaboration, in an effort to raise the general level of scientific literacy among those who think conversations like this are internecine squabbling. Another argument is that I should take something for sleeplessness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Language is imprecise, and it is more imprecise (arguably) in media targeted to an audience that would understand &#8220;scientists say&#8221; to imply that &#8220;a handful of scientists suggest we ought to call&#8230;&#8221; I&#8217;d draw your attention to the linguistic category of &#8220;performative speech acts,&#8221; an idea that resides deeply in the realm of semantics. When &#8220;scientists say&#8221; a new epoch has begun (or whatever), the act of their saying it creates a new &#8220;epoch&#8221; (even if the Stratigraphic Committee hasn&#8217;t ratified it). That doesn&#8217;t mean their utterance redirects Earth processes. It means &#8220;saying&#8221; that a new category exists to describe the planet&#8217;s history makes it true that a new category exists to describe the planet&#8217;s history, regardless of events on the ground. </p>
<p>If science writers (Disclaimer: I&#8217;m a science writer) are dangerously imprecise, where does that put blogging scientists? Look at this sentence from your response above: &#8220;By saying a new epoch has begun rather than we (humans) are recognizing that we need to create a new epoch is misleading to me.&#8221; &#8220;We (humans)&#8221; seems maddeningly imprecise. To apply the level of rigor to blog language that you are applying to mainstream science writing, this appears to either make you a spokesperson for humans, or suggest that &#8220;humans are recognizing&#8230;&#8221;, something patently not true, since all but several thousand humans have no idea what an epoch is. I would also question the precision of the word &#8220;frickin&#8217;,&#8221; and efficiency of the phrase &#8220;By saying a new epoch has begun rather than we (humans) are recognizing that we need to create a new epoch&#8221; as the subject of a sentence. Form is content. Besides, everybody knows that you can&#8217;t &#8220;create&#8221; a new epoch because of the Law of Conservation of Epochs (kidding).</p>
<p>My overall point is that science writers and scientists are not enemies. In fact, developments like the NC Science Blogging convention, Science Blogs, and the World Science Festival show that scientists and science writers are starting an &#8220;epoch&#8221; (wink) of better mutual understanding and collaboration, in an effort to raise the general level of scientific literacy among those who think conversations like this are internecine squabbling. Another argument is that I should take something for sleeplessness.</p>
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		<title>By: Hobart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hobart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that outside of the sphere of hard core geology writing some words acquire squishy definitions - even among geoscience professionals.  When I first read the post, these came to mind.

http://www2.le.ac.uk/ebulletin/news/press-releases/2000-2009/2008/01/nparticle.2008-01-25.1681228573
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/MediaAlerts/2008/2008012526150.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that outside of the sphere of hard core geology writing some words acquire squishy definitions - even among geoscience professionals.  When I first read the post, these came to mind.</p>
<p><a href="http://www2.le.ac.uk/ebulletin/news/press-releases/2000-2009/2008/01/nparticle.2008-01-25.1681228573" rel="nofollow">http://www2.le.ac.uk/ebulletin/news/press-releases/2000-2009/2008/01/nparticle.2008-01-25.1681228573</a><br />
<a href="http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/MediaAlerts/2008/2008012526150.html" rel="nofollow">http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/MediaAlerts/2008/2008012526150.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: BrianR</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandon...thanks for coming by and adding your two cents.

You're absolutely right...the physical phenomena of Earth history certainly exist without us and our constructs to understand them. My main beef is perhaps a rather subtle tone. 

The phrase I talked about above from the article:

"Humans have altered Earth so much that scientists say a new epoch in the planet’s geologic history has begun"

By saying a new epoch has begun rather than we (humans) are recognizing that we need to create a new epoch is misleading to me. The tone (at least to me) sounds like we've "discovered" a new temporal boundary. I think it is important to report the process of reclassification and recategorization in science. It's not discovered or happened upon...it's made to happen that way actively and with a lot of work and discussion.

Does anyone see the difference? Or, am I just way too nit-picky?

And Brandon, like I said, I don't want to come off as against all science reporting...the vast majority of reporting I think is good. This is how I get most of my info for science outside of my little specialty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon&#8230;thanks for coming by and adding your two cents.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right&#8230;the physical phenomena of Earth history certainly exist without us and our constructs to understand them. My main beef is perhaps a rather subtle tone. </p>
<p>The phrase I talked about above from the article:</p>
<p>&#8220;Humans have altered Earth so much that scientists say a new epoch in the planet’s geologic history has begun&#8221;</p>
<p>By saying a new epoch has begun rather than we (humans) are recognizing that we need to create a new epoch is misleading to me. The tone (at least to me) sounds like we&#8217;ve &#8220;discovered&#8221; a new temporal boundary. I think it is important to report the process of reclassification and recategorization in science. It&#8217;s not discovered or happened upon&#8230;it&#8217;s made to happen that way actively and with a lot of work and discussion.</p>
<p>Does anyone see the difference? Or, am I just way too nit-picky?</p>
<p>And Brandon, like I said, I don&#8217;t want to come off as against all science reporting&#8230;the vast majority of reporting I think is good. This is how I get most of my info for science outside of my little specialty.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Keim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon Keim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one of those reporters who wrote about this (over at Wired Science -- link below) I'm not sure I understand your dismay. Yes, a geological time period is an arbitrary construct -- but it's still based on objective physical phenomena that exist independently of our perception of them. If there were no words for different ages, the "ages" would not exist, but the reality of the fossil and sedimentary records would be there, and people with the right tools would note differences even if they had no names for them. 

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/01/name-our-age-th.html

Re: science journalists overhyping discoveries and not providing context -- you're right, and we need to avoid that. I try to, but don't always succeed. And unfortunately, the nature of the business is stacked against that sort of coverage -- unless a journalist is lucky enough to be writing long-form pieces for a large magazine, they're probably stuck trying to write a smart, accessible article about a complicated finding in the space of a few hours. And not just a few hours of writing, but a few hours to look at a study, do research, talk to scientists and *then* write. 

But at least we're not (the best of us, anyways) just rehashing press  releases. And just look at how many press releases go straight to the top of Digg -- compared to that, crappy daily science journalism is Pulitzer-worthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one of those reporters who wrote about this (over at Wired Science &#8212; link below) I&#8217;m not sure I understand your dismay. Yes, a geological time period is an arbitrary construct &#8212; but it&#8217;s still based on objective physical phenomena that exist independently of our perception of them. If there were no words for different ages, the &#8220;ages&#8221; would not exist, but the reality of the fossil and sedimentary records would be there, and people with the right tools would note differences even if they had no names for them. </p>
<p><a href="http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/01/name-our-age-th.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/01/name-our-age-th.html</a></p>
<p>Re: science journalists overhyping discoveries and not providing context &#8212; you&#8217;re right, and we need to avoid that. I try to, but don&#8217;t always succeed. And unfortunately, the nature of the business is stacked against that sort of coverage &#8212; unless a journalist is lucky enough to be writing long-form pieces for a large magazine, they&#8217;re probably stuck trying to write a smart, accessible article about a complicated finding in the space of a few hours. And not just a few hours of writing, but a few hours to look at a study, do research, talk to scientists and *then* write. </p>
<p>But at least we&#8217;re not (the best of us, anyways) just rehashing press  releases. And just look at how many press releases go straight to the top of Digg &#8212; compared to that, crappy daily science journalism is Pulitzer-worthy.</p>
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