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		<title>By: BrianR</title>
		<link>http://clasticdetritus.com/2007/11/06/status-of-science-education-in-sf-bay-area-elementary-schools/#comment-803</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BrianR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ron...sorry your comment didn&#039;t come up for a while...it got caught in my spam filter for some reason.

You raise some very big points w/r/t the undervaluing of earth science in society. What&#039;s the saying -- &#039;we learn geology the day after the earthquake&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron&#8230;sorry your comment didn&#8217;t come up for a while&#8230;it got caught in my spam filter for some reason.</p>
<p>You raise some very big points w/r/t the undervaluing of earth science in society. What&#8217;s the saying &#8212; &#8216;we learn geology the day after the earthquake&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: BrianR</title>
		<link>http://clasticdetritus.com/2007/11/06/status-of-science-education-in-sf-bay-area-elementary-schools/#comment-796</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BrianR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. FG...thanks for that list!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. FG&#8230;thanks for that list!</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Schott</title>
		<link>http://clasticdetritus.com/2007/11/06/status-of-science-education-in-sf-bay-area-elementary-schools/#comment-794</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Schott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In reading the SF Chronicle article the most disturbing figure to me was the number of teachers who feel uncomfortable teaching science.  Alas, neither was it surprising, given what I&#039;ve seen of education majors passing through my intro geology classes.  Although a number of my best intro students were education majors, a 40% science phobia rate seems sadly accurate.  And that&#039;s the among the education students that even take geology classes.  I hope that I&#039;ve had an impact in reversing that phobia for at least some of them, but I don&#039;t know that I could say that with a great deal of certainty.

Recently, I have had the opportunity to teach education students at the graduate level and in continuing education units.  This has generally been very rewarding, as most teachers that enroll in these programs are eager learners, but even here some carry an obstinate science phobia.  Nonetheless, I do feel that I am helping to make a difference by teaching these classes.  I&#039;m actually a co-investigator on a grant funded through &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cet.edu/essea/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ESSEA&lt;/a&gt; to teach classes for in-service grade school teachers.  This semester I taught a one month unit on Global Climate Change and next spring I&#039;ll be teaching a full semester course with three units dealing with hurricanes and volcanoes.  In past summers I&#039;ve actually taught continuing education workshops that were funded through NCLB, so even though I recognize the problems associated with its standardized testing regimen I can&#039;t say it&#039;s been a completely negative program.

Still, the issues raised here are bigger than all of this.  I think that our society fundamentally undervalues geoscience education, especially at the secondary level, with serious repercussions for collegiate geoscience departments and broader implications for democratic decision making on issues of public policy that ought to be informed by scientific studies.  This is not a problem that is likely to be fixed quickly, despite our best intentions and efforts.    I think that addressing the shortcomings of the education system is just part of the cure.  A larger goal is to increase the societal understanding of geology and the sciences and their impact on our standard of living.  This is one of the areas that I believe that blogging can be helpful and I think that ChrisR is onto something in suggesting that we perhaps take this issue up in one of our future Accretionary Wedge installments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reading the SF Chronicle article the most disturbing figure to me was the number of teachers who feel uncomfortable teaching science.  Alas, neither was it surprising, given what I&#8217;ve seen of education majors passing through my intro geology classes.  Although a number of my best intro students were education majors, a 40% science phobia rate seems sadly accurate.  And that&#8217;s the among the education students that even take geology classes.  I hope that I&#8217;ve had an impact in reversing that phobia for at least some of them, but I don&#8217;t know that I could say that with a great deal of certainty.</p>
<p>Recently, I have had the opportunity to teach education students at the graduate level and in continuing education units.  This has generally been very rewarding, as most teachers that enroll in these programs are eager learners, but even here some carry an obstinate science phobia.  Nonetheless, I do feel that I am helping to make a difference by teaching these classes.  I&#8217;m actually a co-investigator on a grant funded through <a href="http://www.cet.edu/essea/" rel="nofollow">ESSEA</a> to teach classes for in-service grade school teachers.  This semester I taught a one month unit on Global Climate Change and next spring I&#8217;ll be teaching a full semester course with three units dealing with hurricanes and volcanoes.  In past summers I&#8217;ve actually taught continuing education workshops that were funded through NCLB, so even though I recognize the problems associated with its standardized testing regimen I can&#8217;t say it&#8217;s been a completely negative program.</p>
<p>Still, the issues raised here are bigger than all of this.  I think that our society fundamentally undervalues geoscience education, especially at the secondary level, with serious repercussions for collegiate geoscience departments and broader implications for democratic decision making on issues of public policy that ought to be informed by scientific studies.  This is not a problem that is likely to be fixed quickly, despite our best intentions and efforts.    I think that addressing the shortcomings of the education system is just part of the cure.  A larger goal is to increase the societal understanding of geology and the sciences and their impact on our standard of living.  This is one of the areas that I believe that blogging can be helpful and I think that ChrisR is onto something in suggesting that we perhaps take this issue up in one of our future Accretionary Wedge installments.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianR</title>
		<link>http://clasticdetritus.com/2007/11/06/status-of-science-education-in-sf-bay-area-elementary-schools/#comment-790</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BrianR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...so I think we need to look at the bigger issues of curricula&quot;

Agreed. But, if we were to all sit down and agree what the big issues are regarding curricula, and then agree what ideally needs to happen, what are the steps towards implementing them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;so I think we need to look at the bigger issues of curricula&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed. But, if we were to all sit down and agree what the big issues are regarding curricula, and then agree what ideally needs to happen, what are the steps towards implementing them?</p>
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		<title>By: John Van Hoesen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Van Hoesen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with many of the posts, but I don&#039;t believe the issue is entirely related to whether elementary/secondary educators are exposed to science and geology, so much as whether they&#039;ve had to develop spatial and temporal skill sets.  It&#039;s one thing to present and teach &#039;science&#039; but unless some kind of intellectual framework exists for integrating that material into a knowledge base, it does seem like an uphill battle.  So should the burden be solely placed on science teachers or should vast tracts of curriculum be re-envisioned?  They take history, they take art, and most students take a language.  All three disciplines that require spatial and temporal abilities, yet  many students have abysmal understanding of geography and historical time lines (e.g. - Romans vs. Egyptians or cotton gin vs. steam engine, etc).  Those same skills are translated into Earth Science, as well as other sciences, and so I think we need to look at the bigger issues of curricula, rather than focus in on primary and secondary science education...  just my 2 cents.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with many of the posts, but I don&#8217;t believe the issue is entirely related to whether elementary/secondary educators are exposed to science and geology, so much as whether they&#8217;ve had to develop spatial and temporal skill sets.  It&#8217;s one thing to present and teach &#8216;science&#8217; but unless some kind of intellectual framework exists for integrating that material into a knowledge base, it does seem like an uphill battle.  So should the burden be solely placed on science teachers or should vast tracts of curriculum be re-envisioned?  They take history, they take art, and most students take a language.  All three disciplines that require spatial and temporal abilities, yet  many students have abysmal understanding of geography and historical time lines (e.g. &#8211; Romans vs. Egyptians or cotton gin vs. steam engine, etc).  Those same skills are translated into Earth Science, as well as other sciences, and so I think we need to look at the bigger issues of curricula, rather than focus in on primary and secondary science education&#8230;  just my 2 cents.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Friday Glasses</title>
		<link>http://clasticdetritus.com/2007/11/06/status-of-science-education-in-sf-bay-area-elementary-schools/#comment-785</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr. Friday Glasses]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m so glad that this discussion is happening! It is obviously very frustrating and it is easy to feel like we can&#039;t do anything about it. I have worked with a couple of Bay Area organizations that are doing great things to improve the science understanding of K-12 teachers. 

http://www.pscubed.org/

http://www.baesi.org/

They are able to function because scientists are willing to lend their time and expertise to the cause. Science museums also typically hold summer/weekend teacher workshops. I encourage you to seek out organizations in your area; its amazing what&#039;s already out there. 


There is also quite a bit of NSF money available for people at the university level that want to work on K-12 programs. These are in the form of both grants for specific teacher professional development projects and outreach components to major scientific research grants. 

Yes, the stats are abysmal. Yes, you can do something about it. I&#039;ve seen 1st grade teachers go from zero confidence to &quot;I can&#039;t wait to get back to my classroom and share my new knowledge with my students&quot; in one week.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad that this discussion is happening! It is obviously very frustrating and it is easy to feel like we can&#8217;t do anything about it. I have worked with a couple of Bay Area organizations that are doing great things to improve the science understanding of K-12 teachers. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.pscubed.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pscubed.org/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.baesi.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.baesi.org/</a></p>
<p>They are able to function because scientists are willing to lend their time and expertise to the cause. Science museums also typically hold summer/weekend teacher workshops. I encourage you to seek out organizations in your area; its amazing what&#8217;s already out there. </p>
<p>There is also quite a bit of NSF money available for people at the university level that want to work on K-12 programs. These are in the form of both grants for specific teacher professional development projects and outreach components to major scientific research grants. </p>
<p>Yes, the stats are abysmal. Yes, you can do something about it. I&#8217;ve seen 1st grade teachers go from zero confidence to &#8220;I can&#8217;t wait to get back to my classroom and share my new knowledge with my students&#8221; in one week.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisR</title>
		<link>http://clasticdetritus.com/2007/11/06/status-of-science-education-in-sf-bay-area-elementary-schools/#comment-781</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ChrisR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe we should have a look at some curriculum requirements when we&#039;re next starved of post ideas...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we should have a look at some curriculum requirements when we&#8217;re next starved of post ideas&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BrianR</title>
		<link>http://clasticdetritus.com/2007/11/06/status-of-science-education-in-sf-bay-area-elementary-schools/#comment-778</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BrianR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kim says: &quot;...when the teachers would be well served by taking, say, Historical Geology or Paleontology or Geomorphology or Plate Tectonics.&quot;
Should we be developing/teaching courses that are specifically geared towards teachers, and not undergrads?

Yami says: &quot;...teaching the teachers, or helping to write curriculum&quot;
It seems like this approach will get more traction as time goes on. Especially if there are people willing to put the effort into making it their career. It seems logical to me...we can&#039;t expect elementary school teachers to not only be fluent across the whole of science, but also keep up with new goings-on in research. Why not have programs that teach teachers?

Yami also says: &quot;getting rid of NCLB&quot;
You&#039;ll notice in that SF Chronicle article that NCLB was cited as one of the big problems by at least one educator.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim says: &#8220;&#8230;when the teachers would be well served by taking, say, Historical Geology or Paleontology or Geomorphology or Plate Tectonics.&#8221;<br />
Should we be developing/teaching courses that are specifically geared towards teachers, and not undergrads?</p>
<p>Yami says: &#8220;&#8230;teaching the teachers, or helping to write curriculum&#8221;<br />
It seems like this approach will get more traction as time goes on. Especially if there are people willing to put the effort into making it their career. It seems logical to me&#8230;we can&#8217;t expect elementary school teachers to not only be fluent across the whole of science, but also keep up with new goings-on in research. Why not have programs that teach teachers?</p>
<p>Yami also says: &#8220;getting rid of NCLB&#8221;<br />
You&#8217;ll notice in that SF Chronicle article that NCLB was cited as one of the big problems by at least one educator.</p>
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		<title>By: yami</title>
		<link>http://clasticdetritus.com/2007/11/06/status-of-science-education-in-sf-bay-area-elementary-schools/#comment-776</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[yami]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I saw that and immediately thought &quot;oh, so this is why my students are all dumb as posts!&quot;. I&#039;m a horrible person.

You wouldn&#039;t want me in an elementary school classroom (see: horrible person - I need an age group capable of appreciating sarcasm) but I&#039;ve been sort of half-assedly looking into ways to get paid for teaching the teachers, or helping to write curriculum. Haven&#039;t turned up much, other than the vague sense that doing what I want would require an awful lot of entrepreneurial grant-writing. It&#039;s also hard to establish credibility with teachers if you don&#039;t have classroom experience - sure, I can make lofty pronouncements about how science should be taught, but would my lesson plans actually &lt;i&gt;work&lt;/i&gt;?

It&#039;s easy to stand and yell &quot;more science! MOAR!1!&quot; - but I don&#039;t know what I would take out to make room, other than getting rid of NCLB (and other high-stakes testing) so that schools/teachers have more freedom to follow their students&#039; interests and needs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw that and immediately thought &#8220;oh, so this is why my students are all dumb as posts!&#8221;. I&#8217;m a horrible person.</p>
<p>You wouldn&#8217;t want me in an elementary school classroom (see: horrible person &#8211; I need an age group capable of appreciating sarcasm) but I&#8217;ve been sort of half-assedly looking into ways to get paid for teaching the teachers, or helping to write curriculum. Haven&#8217;t turned up much, other than the vague sense that doing what I want would require an awful lot of entrepreneurial grant-writing. It&#8217;s also hard to establish credibility with teachers if you don&#8217;t have classroom experience &#8211; sure, I can make lofty pronouncements about how science should be taught, but would my lesson plans actually <i>work</i>?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to stand and yell &#8220;more science! MOAR!1!&#8221; &#8211; but I don&#8217;t know what I would take out to make room, other than getting rid of NCLB (and other high-stakes testing) so that schools/teachers have more freedom to follow their students&#8217; interests and needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://clasticdetritus.com/2007/11/06/status-of-science-education-in-sf-bay-area-elementary-schools/#comment-773</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eek.

But not surprising.

My Earth Systems Science class is one - just one - of the options for the elementary education major here. One semester to take the students from a phobia of science to the ability to teach it with creativity and passion. It is not enough time, not nearly enough time to make a real difference, regardless of how well I teach.

A few years ago, one of the geology majors decided that she wanted to be an elementary teacher. She had to nearly start over - very few of her science classes fit into the requirements of the major.

And then continuing education credits are required to be at the graduate level... when the teachers would be well served by taking, say, Historical Geology or Paleontology or Geomorphology or Plate Tectonics. Do we give graduate credit for undergraduate-level classes? I think, somehow, we need to, because we&#039;ve got to help the teachers get more comfortable with science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eek.</p>
<p>But not surprising.</p>
<p>My Earth Systems Science class is one &#8211; just one &#8211; of the options for the elementary education major here. One semester to take the students from a phobia of science to the ability to teach it with creativity and passion. It is not enough time, not nearly enough time to make a real difference, regardless of how well I teach.</p>
<p>A few years ago, one of the geology majors decided that she wanted to be an elementary teacher. She had to nearly start over &#8211; very few of her science classes fit into the requirements of the major.</p>
<p>And then continuing education credits are required to be at the graduate level&#8230; when the teachers would be well served by taking, say, Historical Geology or Paleontology or Geomorphology or Plate Tectonics. Do we give graduate credit for undergraduate-level classes? I think, somehow, we need to, because we&#8217;ve got to help the teachers get more comfortable with science.</p>
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